DRAMA: Artists with questionable or bad reputations

For starters lets go with..

Bryan Erickson of Velvet Acid Christ
Nero Bellum of Psyclon Nine
Rachel Haywire of Experiment Haywire

any others that should be on our shit lists?

Velvet Acid Christ (VAC) - Adventures in Babysitting the Antichrist

Psyclon Nine - The Light of Armageddon

Experiment Haywire - Reality Is Dead (Virtually)

Spooks, Specters & Ghosts
by ΣΕΘ (SET)



ΣΕΘ(SET) - You Once Were My Light (Original Mix)

Level 2.0 - Heartbeat (Official Video)

Psykosonik Welcome To My Mind 1993




Psychosonik - Silicon Jesus

AL JOURGENSEN
It's almost incredible that Al has a friend in the world at this point, with how legendarily pissy, rude, dishonest, flaky, and two-faced he's been over the years.
Granted, he isn't a serial felon or notorious bigot, like some of the folks on this thread so far, but jeez, Al seems like he can be a real tool.

And his book was some of the most obviously inaccurate and annoying things I've read.
Love the first three Ministry records though!

AL JOURGENSEN
It's almost incredible that Al has a friend in the world at this point, with how legendarily pissy, rude, dishonest, flaky, and two-faced he's been over the years.
Granted, he isn't a serial felon or notorious bigot, like some of the folks on this thread so far, but jeez, Al seems like he can be a real tool.

And his book was some of the most obviously inaccurate and annoying things I've read.
Love the first three Ministry records though!

LOL - Exactly (dead on) couldn't agree with you more and also welcome to this tiny forum.

Those first 3 or 4 albums were great (legendary) and then things went a little south for me too.

PS: We also have a thread for the worst of the worst in this scene you might like that good old Uncle Al might qualify for...

People in this scene that are a SHPOS!
https://undergroundmusiccompanion.com/index.php/topic,273.msg1102.html#msg1102

https://www.reddit.com/r/goth/wiki/musicbox/problematic-bands/?v=04c91a56-fb47-11eb-a5ed-0a38e3a51218


**Band/Member** | **Genre** | **Evidence** | **Reason**

Brian Graupner (The Gothsicles) | Synthpop / Industrial / EBM / Goth | Now ex-wife HEIDI FOLAND https://www.zola.com/wedding/brianandheidioct2 cites Brian's recent right wing politics as one of many reasons for the break-up - a number of his friends are dis-associating with him, bands are re-thinking or leaving his label and his Space Couch Twitch.tv/Youtube talk show was suspended.

Alison Moyet (Yaz/Yazoo) | Synthpop / New Wave / Other | [Singer Alison Moyet And Anti-Trans Activists Sign Letter Attacking LGBT+ Charity Stonewall](https://gcn.ie/singer-alison-moyet-anti-trans-activists-letter-attacking-lgbt-charity-stonewall/) | TERF, supports anti-trans rights

And One | Synthpop | [Reddit thread] Steve Naghavi (https://www.reddit.com/r/industrialmusic/comments/gkcyer/hacker_totally_responsible_for_and_one_twitter/fqqdpkt/) | Posting pro fascism conspiracy theories, claimed their Twitter had been "hacked"

And One = Welcome to the blacklist
https://www.reddit.com/r/industrialmusic/comments/gg0pi2/and_one_welcome_to_the_blacklist/

Naghavi has spent months posting wackadoodle nonsense (like, a LOT of it) and then deleting threads every few days. Over, and over, and over again. Flat-earth, anti-vaxxer, QAnon praising.. He even dropped Pizzagate once... He's a full on 'Bill Gates and Hillary Clinton Illuminati are trying to kill us’ “truth"er.

I was told that he also apparently voiced support for the AFD as well. They're basically an ultra right-wing political party in Germany.

Bella Morte | Goth Rock, Gothic Metal, Industrial |  | Specifically Andy Deane, who turned out to be a serial abuser/cheat/possibly infected multiple women with STDs

Boyd Rice/NON | | | Rice has faced numerous accusations of sympathies to fascism over the years. Rice's work has employed fascist imagery, including the use of military costumes and references to Iron Youth, and his music project NON uses a Wolfsangel as its logo.

Christian Death (Valor era) | Deathrock / Post-Punk | [Reddit post](https://www.reddit.com/r/goth/comments/jcg612/christian_death_have_exposed_themselves_as_covid/) | COVID-19 conspiracy theorists

Chrome | Experimental Rock / Space Rock / Post-Punk | | Helios Creed being racist on social media, rest of band walked out

Clan of Xymox (Ronny Moorings) | Darkwave | [Post in Goths Against Fascism](https://www.facebook.com/gothsagainstfascism/posts/384559469951133) | Makes problematic jokes on Trump's wall/Mexicans and #metoo, their new 2021 album is pro-QAnon.

Cold Cave | | | Openly supporting problematic artists

Combichrist | Aggrotech / Industrial Metal | | Fascist, misogynistic songs, blackface

Crystal Castles | Electro | [Alice Glass accuses former Crystal Castles bandmate of sexual assault](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/oct/25/alice-glass-crystal-castles-ethan-kath-sexual-assault-abuse) |  Domestic abuse

David Bowie | Glam Rock / Pop / Art Pop | [David Bowie and the 15-Year-Old Girls](https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/music/david-bowie-and-the-15-year-old-girls-7962946) | Sleeping with underage groupies

Death in June | Neofolk | [Death in June: a Nazi band? - Midwest Unrest](https://libcom.org/library/death-in-june-a-nazi-band) | Nazi imagery

The Drowning Season | Goth Rock |  | Band member Matt Slowikow is a racist

KMFDM | Industrial | [Twitter thread](https://twitter.com/nocturna_13/status/1221154286576586753) | Homophobia, misogyny, victim blaming

Marilyn Manson | Shock Rock / Industrial Metal | [A Timeline A Timeline of Abuse Allegations Against Marilyn Manson](https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/9523386/timeline-abuse-allegations-marilyn-manson/) | Abuser | Several accounts of abuse from previous girlfriends, plus admitting it in his own autobiography

Mangadrive | Outrun / Electronic | [Chesterfield County Man Accused Of Distributing Child Pornography](https://www.wccbcharlotte.com/2018/02/16/chesterfield-county-man-accused-distributing-child-pornography/) | Pedophile

Ministry | Industrial Metal | [Sin Quirin Exits Ministry One Year After Facing Allegations of Underage Sexual Relationships](https://pitchfork.com/news/sin-quirin-exits-ministry-one-year-after-facing-allegations-of-underage-sexual-relationships/) | Ministry issue is the guitarist is an abuser, specifically of underage women/children, and the band still stand by him.

Mindless Self Indulgence | Synthpunk | [Sin Quirin Exits Ministry One Year After Facing Allegations of Underage Sexual Relationships](https://wmleader.com/entertainment/138704/mindless-self-indulgence-singer-jimmy-urine-sued-over-alleged-sexual-relationship-with-15-year-old/) | Jimmy Urine sued over sexual relationships with minors

Morrissey (from The Smiths) | Alternative Rock / Indie | [Morrissey reignites racism row by calling Chinese a 'subspecies'](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2010/sep/03/morrissey-china-subspecies-racism) | Xenophobia

Mr Kitty | Synthpop | [“After Dark” Singer Mr. Kitty Exchanged Explicit Messages with Underage Fan](https://www.austinchronicle.com/daily/music/2021-07-08/after-dark-singer-mr-kitty-exchanged-explicit-messages-with-underage-fan/) | Requesting nudes from underage fan

Nick Cave | Alternative Rock / Post-Punk / Art Rock / Experimental | [Nick Cave says he’s “repelled” by ‘woke’ culture’s “self-righteous belief” and “lack of humility”](https://www.nme.com/news/music/nick-cave-says-hes-repelled-woke-cultures-self-righteous-belief-lack-humility-2557386) | Potentially problematic opinions

Nina Hagen | New Wave, Punk, Neue Deutsche Welle | [Tweet from The Detransition Advocacy Network (TDAN)](https://twitter.com/DetransAdv/status/1241780883100663812), [Twitter thread in German](https://twitter.com/transxplant/status/1248537869309919233), Nina Hagen - ["(don't lie to me about HIV) Handgrenade](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY1Qs3ZJ7tA)" | TERF, AIDS denier

Psyclon Nine aka Ner0 Bellum | Industrial / Metal | [Psyclon Nine Merchandise Controversary](https://www.brutalresonance.com/feature/psyclon-nine-merchandise-outrage/) | Selling band merchandise bought by fans for drugs

Rammstein - Several women came forward over the summer to claim they were drugged and recruited to engage in sexual activity with Lindemann, 60, at Rammstein after-show parties. Lindemann always denied the allegations, with his lawyers calling them “without exception untrue”. In June, Berlin prosecutors opened an investigation into Till Lindemann, the lead singer of German metal band Rammstein, following allegations of “sexual offences and the distribution of narcotics”. Today, though, the prosecutors have announced they’ve dropped the investigation, citing not enough evidence to back up the claims.

Formed in 1994, the band has a long history of provocatively using images and language associated with the Nazi era, though Lindemann stated in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine that “we hate Nazis”.Jun 6, 2023

Siouxsie Sioux | Post-Punk / Goth / New Wave / Alternative Rock | [Reddit thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/goth/comments/ire2cs/what_is_up_with_this_pic_of_siouxsie_wearing_a/), [untiedundone.com article](http://www.untiedundone.com/020105b.html) | Wearing a Swastika armband

She Wants Revenge | Post-Punk Revival / Alternative Rock | [ L.A. Goth nightclub known for rituals and secrecy has closed amid sexual misconduct claims](https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2021-03-21/cloak-and-dagger-goth-nightclub-closed-sexual-misconduct-claims) | Abusive behavior detailed in the article exposing the Cloak and Dagger Club

Sonsombre | Goth Rock | [Imgur images](https://imgur.com/a/CGf8eHN), [Band statement](https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1088157881594187&id=503628290047152) | Brandon Plybus is an active member of member of Sons of The Confederate Veterans, an active racist/anti-LGBT confederate group. Brandon does not actively address this and claims to be neutral, saying his music is for everyone.

Swans | Experimental Rock / Industrial / Post-Punk | | Michael Gira was accused of abuse

Tearful Moon | Darkwave | [Young & Cold Records statement](https://www.facebook.com/488790517857220/posts/hellowe-have-received-a-lot-of-news-about-racist-allegations-against-a-member-of/3013424202060493/) | White supremacist propaganda/QANON

William Control | Electronic | [Musician William Control (Ex-Aiden) Accused of Running “Sex Cult,” Police Decline to Prosecute](https://pitchfork.com/news/emo-musician-william-control-ex-aiden-accused-of-running-sex-cult-police-decline-to-prosecute/) | Accused of having a sex cult, abusing fans and forcing them into BDSM, and now glorifies abuse by writing an entire album about it